Amazon on me: black sweaters: Wide collar zip up sweatshirt: I sized up to M and love the roomy fit bit there is no fleece inside so not sure it’s really a sweatshirt Sleeveless knit top: you’ll need to size up probably two sizes to get the oversized look pictured plus the shoulder seam is pointy and you can see the outline of the shoulder pads. Not my fave but I might try a bigger size